Was the islamic faith founded on "pagan" practices?
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Over the past few years we have covered a lot about the Sumerian origins of the Judaic and Christian religions. Today, we will talk about the Sumerian origins of the Islamic faith, which will also show the Necronomicon Tradition’s influence over all three Abrahamic religions. Recently, I had a dinner with a good friend of mine and a discussion about the Islamic religion came up. based on that conversation I decided to write an article about some things I have observed about the religion.
The idea that the Islamic faith is a derivative of older Babylonian traditions is nothing new. In the book Dead Names, written be Simon, we find the author’s use of the Encyclopedia Britannica of 1911, Volume 17, referenced in Simon’s Dead Names, page 192 states:
“According to an old Encyclopedia Britannica and other sources, the Quraysh tribe of Mecca were believed to have originated in ancient Cutha itself.”
From my research, I found the edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica quote that Simon was referring to, which was edited by Hugh Chislom, appearing in Volume 17, page 399 reads:
“The sanctuary was apparently in the possession of the tribe Koreish (Quraish), the origin of whose name is unknown, said to have come originally from Cutha in Mesopotamia.”
It has been suggested in the two quotes above that the Quraish tribe, from whom the Prophet Mohammed was a descendant of, originated in Cutha. This is very interesting because in the Ancient Near Eastern Texts translated by E. A. Spieser, we find an account of The Descent of Ishtar. In this account we read the following:
“Forth went the gatekeeper to open the door for her:
“Enter, my lady, that Cutha may rejoice over thee,
That the palace of the Land of No Return may be glad at they presence.”
The reader may wonder why we have inserted the mythology concerning Ishtar’s Descent into our discussion? Well, first it has been suggested that the Prophet Mohammed was a descendant of a people that originated in Cutha. In Ishtar’s Descent, the ancient goddess is said to have visited Cutha, which was a rite performed for an initiation of sorts. In any event, we can confirm the Prophet Mohammed’s lineage and the “pagan” origins of the Islamic faith, by comparing the rites of Ishtar with the religion of Islam. If Mohammed was given a revelation from the actual author of the universe, it should in no way resemble any of the “pagan” practices that he was said to diminish. Is Islam an authentic message from the “creator,” or is it a pagan tradition that was successful in defeating other pagan traditions, and thereby making Allah the supreme god of the land? In order to investigate this matter further, we should look at the principles of Islam.
The foundation of the Islamic faith is based on the “Five” Pillars of Islam. This is very interesting because we see the number “five” recurring very often in Islamic spiritualism. What is interesting about this, as we had cited earlier, is that if the religion of Islam was indeed authored by the creative force, it should in no way reflect the practices of Arab paganism, which it tried to abolish. The number “five” is sacred to the goddess Ishtar. Although she is associated with the number 15 in her planetary aspect, she is also identified with the number “five.” The Mystery of Numbers, authored by A. Schimmel and F. C. Endres, made the following observation on page 107 of the said work:
“From time immemorial 5 has been regarded as the number of the goddess Ishtar and her Roman “successor,” Venus.”
Since the number “five” appears so often in Islamic spiritualism, the reader may do well to ask, did the religion of Islam derive many of its practices from the “Cult of Ishtar,” also known as the “Cult of the Stars” in ancient Babylon?
Before we continue in examining the “Five” Pillars of Islam under this premise, it should also be noted that a lot of attributes of Ishtar were inherited from the Sumerian goddess Inanna. Inanna’s sacred color is white. In the information quoted above, we see that Inanna/Ishtar is relative to Venus. Here we see one of the “pagan” practices that was adopted by the Islamic religion is Jumu’ah.
Jumu’ah is a congregational prayer that Muslims hold every Friday. Jumu’ah is required of adult male Muslims. What these Islamic men are not aware of is the fact that they are giving reverence to Ishtar. Inanna/Ishtar corresponds to Venus, which rules Friday. It should also be noted that in some communities, Muslims are encouraged to wear the color “white” while attending the ceremony. White is a color sacred to the goddess Ishtar. The Simon Necronomicon mentions the following:
“Her colour is the purest White. Her manifestation is in the metal Copper, and also in the most beautiful flowers of a field, and in the saddest death of the battlefield, which is that field’s fairest flower. Her Gate is the Third you will pass in the rites that follow, and in which place you will be of a heart to stay; but turn you face to the road that leads beyond, for that is your genuine goal, unless the Goddess choses you. Her Step on the Ladder of Lights, built of old in Babylon and at UR, is White.”
The Mystery of Numbers, cited earlier, says the following on page 213:
“Fifteen was a sacred number to Ishtar..”
Often times, during Jumu’ah, the 87th Surah is recited from the Qu’ran, as we know 8 + 7 = 15.
I find it remarkably interesting that the “Creator of all worlds” would authorize congregational prayer on the same designated day that the priestesses of Ishtar encouraged massive amounts of men to enter her temple, interesting.
99 Names of Allah
Another reason why many members of the Islamic community are converting over to the Necronomicon Tradition, has a lot to do with the 99 Names of Allah. Some Muslims have been wise enough to question the idea of Allah having 99 names. First, it should be stated that a name is given to an object that is held within the world of space and time. Secondly, the 99 names of Allah are of Babylonian origin.
The major gods of the Babylonian/ Assyrian pantheon were Nanna, Nebo, Ishtar, Shamash, Nergal, Marduk, and Adar, which were all associated with the seven philosophical planets. The numbers associated with these deities, is as follows:
Nanna (30), Nebo (12), Ishtar (15), Shamash (20), Nergal (8), Marduk (10), and Adar (4) were the major gods of the Babylonian pantheon. The numeric system of the Babylonians and their planetary deities is widely available in print.
When you add the numbers of these 7 major deities, you get the sum of 99. So now the question arises, that if the religion of Islam was authored by the “Creator of all worlds” why would this divine entity take on the number of names of the powers of the seven ruling deities amongst the so-called pagan Arabs and Babylonians?
http://answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol1/3d.html
The Story of the Mi’raj in the Hadith.
“One of the most famous Islamic monuments in the world is the Dome of the Rock which stands on the site of the original Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. It is the third-holiest in the Muslim world after the Ka’aba in Mecca and Prophet’s Mosque in Medina and commemorates the alleged occasion of Muhammad’s ascent through the seven heavens to the very presence of Allah. It stands above the rock from which Muhammad is believed to have ascended to heaven. The narrative of this ascent is recorded in all the major works of Hadith in some detail, but there is only one verse in the Qur’an openly refer ring to the incident and in a limited context at that.”
Another reason why Muslims are abadoning the Islamic path and becoming converts of the Necronomicon Tradition has a lot to do with Al-Mi’raj the story of Muhammad’s ascent through the seven heavens. This a clear case of plagiarism from an earlier Babylonian myth. In the Myth of Etana, the king of Kish, Etana prays to the Sun god, Shamash, for the plant of life and a son. Eventually Etana is given the tools that he needs to request such from the goddess Inanna as he ascends through the seven gates of heaven on the back of an eagle. Here we see again, another Babylonian myth that has such a striking similarity to Islamic legend as the Prophet Muhammad ascended through the seven heavens of the back of a beast that had wings, though not described as an eagle. Why would Allah, the “creator of all worlds” reconfigure an action that is so similar to a pagan parable?
"The moon goddess was represented by the black stone still embedded in a corner of the Kaaba. She was attended by seven priestesses who circumambulated the Kaaba (naked) seven times, once for each of the known planets."
The Five Pillars of Islam of Babylonian Origin
In this section of our discussion, we will discuss each of the “Five” Pillars of Islam and illustrate their Babylonian origin. However, before we proceed further into this discussion, it is more than enough to say that the Five Pillars of Islam are indeed a modified version of the Hammurabi Code. In an online article entitled The Religion of Islam we find the following:
“It is significant that Arabic is the most archaic of all the living Semitic languages: it’s morphology is to be found in Hammurabi’s code which is more or less contemporary with Abraham. “
Wikipedia gives us the following definition of the Code of Hammurabi:
“The Code of Hammurabi is a well-preserved Babylonian law code, dating back to about 1772 BC. It is one of the oldest deciphered writings of significant length in the world. The sixth Babylonian king, Hammurabi, enacted the code, and partial copies exist on a human-sized stone stele and various clay tablets. The Code consists of 282 laws, with scaled punishments, adjusting “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” (lex talionis)[1] as graded depending on social status, of slave versus free man.”
Let us see if the Five Pillars of Islam are Babylonian in origin.We must first note that the Five Pillars of Islam are as follows (1) the shahada (creed), (2) daily prayers (salat), (3) almsgiving (zakāt, (4)fasting during Ramadan (sawm) ), and (5) the pilgrimage to Mecca (hajj) at least once in a lifetime.
1. Shahada
Wikipedia defines the term shahada in the following words:
“The shahada is the Muslim declaration of belief in the oneness of God (tawhid) and acceptance of Muhammad as God’s prophet. The word Shahādah is a noun stemming from the verb shahida meaning to observe, witness, or testify; when used in legal terms, shahādah is a testimony to the occurrence of events such as debt, adultery, or divorce.”
This is a very interesting term, as it is said to stem from the word shahida, which means to see and observe. The Sumerian term for those who were said “to watch,” is Igigi. Some have compared the Igigi to the watchers of Enochian mythology. In any event, The Hammurabi Code also called for the dedication to the national god Marduk. What is intersting in all of this is that the word shahada, in Akkadian is sha-hada, or sha-hadda. which meand the wife (sha) of Hada, or Hadda. The Quarterly Statement by the Palestine Exploration Fund sates the following on page 275:
“It may perhaps have been a term borrowed from the Akkadian, in which tongue sha means ” a bride,” “
The Companion Bible by E.W. Bullinger mentions the following on page 634:
“Not a Heb. word, but borrowed from the Akkadian sha — a, bride,”
This reveals to us that the word “sha” means bride. In Archives of Ebla written by G. Pettinato we find a reference to the god Hada:
“Sumerian pantheon precisely because in addition to Enki, his companion Ninki is also venerated at Ebla. … were temples of Kura, Hada, Nidakul, Astar, etc.”
This god Hada was evidently important enough to have a temple built in his own honor. In a Wikipedia article entitled Ebla, we find the following:
“3rd millennium Ebla was a polytheistic society. Some well-known Semitic deities appear at Ebla, including Dagan (written as dBE), Ishtar (Ashtar), Resheph (Rasap), Kamish, Hadad (Hadda),[10] Shapash (Shipish), and some otherwise unknown ones (Kura, Nidakul[11]), plus a few Sumerian gods (Enki and Ninki) and Hurrian gods (Ashtapi,[11] Hebat, Ishara).The four city gates were named after the gods Dagan, Baal (Hadda), Rasap, and Utu. Overall, about forty deities are mentioned in the tablets as receiving sacrifices.”
When uncovering this information the reader should note that the god Hadda is identified with both Hadad and Baal. This may seem confusing at first, but when I searched under the title Baal on Wikipedia, it mentioned the following:
“”Baʿal” can refer to any god and even to human officials; in some texts it is used as a substitute for Hadad, a god of the rain, thunder, fertility and agriculture, and the lord of Heaven. Since only priests were allowed to utter his divine name, Hadad, Ba‛al was commonly used. “
From the information that we discussed so far, the name Hada refers to the Biblical Baal and the Hadad, but primarily Hadad. Thus the term shahada means wife of Baal, or wife of Hadad, as the term shahada is not native to the Arabic language. Anyone who is involved in linguistics can clearly see it was adopted by the Arabs from an earlier civilization. This may seem to be a little bit of word play for some, but once we identify the “bride of Hada” other aspects of the Islamic religion begin to unfold. But for now, we can clearly see that the god of the Islamic religion is not the same god as the Judaic or Christian religion.
Hada, or Hadad is popularly known as the Akkadian Adad, and the Sumerian Ishkur. He is a storm deity who is also associated with the god Amurru of the Amorites, known as Martu, who is associated with Marduk. Marduk is the same god in the Hammurabi Code promoted as the national god. Muslims define the shahada as a declaration in their belief in the oneness of God. This “unity of god” was an attribute that was applied to Adad. Arthur reader verifies this for us in the book, Fishes, Flowers, & Fire as Elements and Deities in the Phallic Faith, makes the following observation on page 78 of the said work:
“Macrobious, speaking of the Syrians and this god Adodus and the king of gods, says, “The gave to the god whom they venerate as the highest and the greatest the name Adad, and which means unus or one.”
So this idea of “oneness of god” was introduced to the ancient world through the teachings of the god Hada or Adad, from which the term shahada derives. Our point however, is to discover the “bride of Hada,” which was where the term shahada derives. The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge -Volume 1 by Samuel Macauley Jackson mentions the following in reference to Adad:
“His consort was Shala, never an important deity, and her ideograph could represent also a milch-goat. A deity sometimes displacing Adad as third member of this triad was the great Ishtar.”
There are numerous texts and information that supports Shala as the wife of Adad/Ishkur.
Sumerian mountain goddess of grain. Sometimes referred to as the “corn maiden”. She was the wife of Ishkur. Her sanctuary was at Karkara called E.durku, ‘House, the Pure Abode,’ most likely located within the temple of Ishkur, the ‘E.Karkara.’ In earlier years, Shala was known as Gubarra, ‘Flame Lady of the border of Eden.” She was mother of Gibil, the Sumerian Fire god. Wikipedia gives us some deeper information about the goddess Shala under the topic Virgo we read:
“According to the Babylonian Mul.Apin, which dates between 1000 BC and 686 BC, this constellation was known as “The Furrow”, representing the goddess Shala‘s ear of grain or corn.[2] One star in this constellation, Spica, retains this tradition as it is Latin for “ear of grain”, one of the major products of the Mesopotamian furrow. The constellation was also known as AB.SIN and absinnu. For this reason the constellation became associated with fertility.[3] According to Gavin White the figure of Virgo corresponds to two Babylonian constellations – the ‘Furrow’ in the eastern sector of Virgo and the ‘Frond of Erua’ in the western sector. The Frond of Erua was depicted as a goddess holding a palm-frond – a motif that still occasionally appears in much later depictions of Virgo.”
Shala was indeed associated with the constellation Virgo, which symbolized the month of harvest. This is something that the reader should note because the Islamic month of Ramadan is called the “month of harvest.” The constellation has been very influential in shaping other religious superstition, not only Islam. The star of Jacob or Judah, both being the same, is shown on astronomical maps as prominent in the constellation Virgo, the Virgin, called by the Hebrews, Ephraim. It was known in the Syrian, Arabian and Persian Systems of astronomy as Messaeil and was considered the ruling genius of the constellation. Messaeil is Messiah El (Son of God)—apparently the star, Spica. The star of Jacob was evidently a figure from astrology, in which the virgin is shown rising with an infant son of God in her arms.
The virgin, with her god-begotten child, the bright star, Spica, represented as an ear of corn (the meaning of the name of the star), was pictured in the heavens from time immemorial. They are present in the Hindu zodiac, at least three thousand years old, and in the ancient Egyptian one. Virgo commences rising at midnight, on the 25th of December, with this star in the east in her arms—the star which piloted the wise men.
2. Salah
Salah is part of the Five Pillars of the Islamic Faith. Salat is the Islamic prayer. Salat consists of five prayers a day. The idea of praying five times a day was inherited by the Islamic community form the very same Persians that they would label heathen and pagan in scripture. An Essay on the Authenticity of the Book of Daniel by John Mee Fuller, states the following on page 329:
“The ancient Persians divided the twenty-four hours into five parts. Corresponding to these were five prayers or gahs said to the angels presiding over each division.”
Why would the Creator of all Worlds instruct the holy Muslim to imitate a “pagan” prayer ritual, if Allah were not a pagan god himself. That’s like some prophet telling people that witchcraft is wrong and then creating a holiday to honor the our forgotten loved ones on Halloween.
3. Al-Zakat
Zakat or alms-giving is the practice of charitable giving by Muslims based on accumulated wealth, and is obligatory for all who are able to do so. It is considered to be a personal responsibility for Muslims to ease economic hardship for others and eliminate inequality.
Zakat is also of Sumerian origin. Studies in Early Islamic Tradition by Sulaymān Bashīr, states the following on page 87:
“The word zakatu is originally Sumerian and reappears in Akkadian texts in the senses of cancelling taxes due to the king and right being granted by the king and relating to setting people free.”
4. Sawm of Ramadan
Work in progress.
5. Hajj
Hajj is well rooted in Babylonian paganism. Muslims claim not to venerate idols, but you want to walk around a stone seven times and say God is Great, like this is what the creator of all the stars in the universe expects you to do on earth. Twilight in the Kingdom by Mark Caudill states the following on page 133:
“The moon goddess was represented by the black stone still embedded in a corner of the Kaaba. She was attended by seven priestesses who circumambulated the Kaaba (naked) seven times, once for each of the known planets.”
During Hajj, Muslims are encouraged to wear white garments, as we have discussed prior, “white” is a color that is sacred tho the goddess Ishtar. It is at this point that many of those who have abandoned Islam and turned to the Necronomicon Tradition have asked why? Why does the number of the “creator of all worlds has to be the same number of the seven philosophical planets that were revered in ancient Babylon.
The Qu’ran
The Qu’ran is composed of 114 chapters, also known as suras. 114 is an interesting number because it is the sum of 99 and 15. As we discussed earlier 99 is the sum of the numerical planetary correspondence. The additional 15 is to celebrate the goddess Ishtar in her primordial aspect as Tiamat, which is not planetary. In an online article entitled; Marduk’s Ordeal, we come across the following footnotes:
“Livingstone offers two other texts relevant to understanding the characters and events in the above (MMEW pp. 233-234): “Finally, two sections from VAT 8917 pertaining to Marduk, Ashur, and the Assyrian Ishtar goddesses may be considered.Ishtar of Nineveh is Tiamat; she is the wet-nurse of Bel. She has 4 eyes and 4 ears. Her upper parts are Bel, and her lower parts are Ninlil.The Lady of Arbela is the mother of Bel. They gave her vegetables(?); alternatively, she is Antu and they make funerary offerings to Anu. (trans. of VAT 8917 obv. 19-23)”
So here it is the Quran is composed of the same number of suras that were attributed to the Babylonian planetary system. Muslims believe the Quran to be verbally revealed through angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) from God to Muhammad gradually, beginning in 610 CE, when Muhammad was 40, and concluding in 632 CE, the year of his death. This is about a 22 year time frame. This is interesting because 22 is also a very significant number. There are 22 chapters in the book of Revelation. there are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet. There are 22 cards in the Major Arcana of the tarot deck, and coincidently the prophet Muhammad received the Qu’ran in 22 years at the age of 40.
40 is another interesting number. The sacredness of the number 40 is also of Babylonian origin. anytime you read about it raining for 40 day and nights, or Jesus spent 40 days in the wilderness, Moses and the Israelites spending forty years in the wilderness, know that the “god” being referred to in all of these cases is the Sumerian god Enki. Enki’s sacred number was 40. Abraham was from Ur, so it is quite natural to see the religions that are said to stem from him hold these customs that really originated in Babylon and earlier Sumeria. Gateways to Babylon has this to say, under the topic Enki:
“Enki´s sacred number is 40, and His astrological region is 12 degrees south in the sky (includes Pisces and Aquarius)”
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If people get something out of the religion of Islam then good for them, but do know that while these Muslims may attempt to chant down “pagan” customs, or what have you they have stolen a lot of spirituality from Babylon mixed it in with Arab customs and then try to sell it to the world as “god’s true religion” while secretly promoting Arab superiority, but here in the Necronomicon Tradition, we know who you are and seek ever to promote the true way of the Sumerian paradigm that you are still in denial of.
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Tony
February 21, 2012
awesome – AWESOME – post, Brother!!
Soooooooooo much of the Abrahamic religious tree can be traced to pre-existing Pagan tradition, despite their constant denial(to the point of killing millions of ‘heretics’ over the centuries)… the so-called ‘Ten Commandments’ are taken from the Egyptian Book of the Dead, for example.
nightcaller
February 21, 2012
Interesting article Brother, especially so because I’m not well versed in Islamic religion.
Warlock Asylum
February 22, 2012
Thank you once again as always Brother
Warlock Asylum
February 22, 2012
It would seem that if you follow someone, you would want to objectively researh the culture that Abraham came from..oh well
kingu darkly
February 22, 2012
it is fascinating how numbers always correspond with other things…it cannot be coincidence. the fact that the ” Big Three” have incorporated ancient practices into their ways in order to keep humanity under their thumb has always been a point of contention to me, and to many of you, i’m sure. thank you, Warlock, for another stellar offering, and for being willing to go to Battle for us in the name of the Traditon, under the Battle Flag of Truth. you are to commended once again. Cheers and Blessings. the fact that some many of these so-called religious types blindly follow the “leadership” with out even so much as a question is quite amusing.
When i was a child, in those Pentecostal circles, i had so many questions that they probabaly wanted to take me out side and Crucify me sometimes….ROFL…..
Warlock Asylum
February 23, 2012
Hey Brother thank you for your thoughts!
Star
April 17, 2012
There are some similarities between pagan religions and those of the Abrahamic traditions. However, that doesn’t mean that the pagan religions came first, nor, therefore, that the Abrahamic religions were built upon concepts and ideas that “originated” in pagan ones. Many Abrahamic scriptures confirm that Adam and Eve (the first humans) and their family were believer in God and that God had taught them worship. Over the years as humans began to multiply, they began to divert from the original form of worship – evolving many of its concepts and practices such that they were transformed into polytheism (the idea – contra Abrahamic religions – that there are many deities/gods, not just one). By we are told by the scriptures that as people deformed the original message (from a religion that adheres to the unity and oneness of God to religions that believed in the existence of many gods), God continued to send messengers and prophets to various peoples and civilizations so that they were informed about the original (true) message – this is known as “the renewal of the message”; an attempt to ensure that it isn’t lost, and that whoever wants to hear all sides of the story (whether there are many gods or just One) can do so. The messengers all had an identical message Quran 42:13-15), but later generations changed the message and invented their own versions of it; at times, radically changing it so that very little was left of the original message (this is why so many ‘pagan’ beliefs many contain an idea or two that it still shares with monotheism). There is nothing in the Quran that says people should be forced to be believe in God, let alone be killed if they did’nt. In fact, for anyone who wants to look thus up, the Quran contains many sections that condemn forcing people to adopt it as a religion (e.g. S. 2:256 & 10:99) For example, the idea of there being an “after life” is indeed present in Ancient Egypt, but this idea was first presented to Adam and Eve after the fall – God tells them that human brings will inhabit the earth for some time; after death there comes a judgement day; after that, a new world is born where good people go to heaven, and bad people go to hell. many pagan faiths believe in the an existence after death, but some of these ideas have been bastardized (e.g. Multiple Reincarnation is a bastardization of the monotheistic Abrahamic belief that we will be resurrected after death, and will be incarnated anew). And in this sense, the message of the Abrahamic faiths predates any pagan ones because, according to scriptures and those who believe in them, it began with humanity itself – it was first communicated to Adam & Eve, and then re-communicated on various occasions to people through messengers.
As for Muhammad’s pagan ancestry, or Mesopotamian or Summerian ancestry, no one denies that many Arabs emigrated from that region. It doesn’t logically follow, of course, that he worshipped what the pagans did. Muhammad did not distinguish himself from pagans on the basis of racial or biological geneaology – he knew better than to do so; rather, his beliefs were radically different, in terms of who created the universe, who was its genuine master, and to whom is worship due: the one and only God. In this he was utterly unlike any pagan.
Ishtar was indeed a goodness – one of them – that pagan Arabs worshipped (they also had other gods they’d borrowed from the Egyptians, among others). But Muhammad never worshipped any of these: he lived in Qureish, and belonged to the House of Abd Al-Muttalib (his full name was Muhammad Bin Abd-Allah Bin Abd Al-Muttalib). The House of Abd Al-Mutakib were descendants of Ismeal (Ishmael) the son of Abraham, from Haggar; Ishmael’s half-brother was Issac, Abraham’s son from Sara; and Abraham was a descendant of Noah, though, of course, he too lived near the Tigris and came from a pagan tribe (his father was pagan). That doesn’t imply that either Abraham, Issac, Ishmael or Muhammad have anything to do with pagans, where this means sharing their religious beliefs.
FYI – the Quran claims that God created Jinns (Djinns) before human beings. Unlike angels, jinn have free will – i.e. they can have choice, and hence, can choose to do good or bad. Angels don’t have free will – they can’t choose to defy God’s orders or choose to believe as they please. Satan – originally called Iblis – was a jinn. So zealous was he in his worship of God and so loyal that he was elevated above angels. Then came Adam, and Iblis, jealous and envious of the latter, vowed to do everything in his power to divert him and his progeny from worshipping God – so as to show God that Adam, and humans, are unworthy creatures of God’s love. Iblis fell, and was called Satan (the rebelllious one) and many Jinns followed him, and do so to this day. The deities of the pagans are either purely fictional, or ate Jinns who are pretending to be deities – they do favors for human beings here and there because they seek being recognised as deities, worshipped instead of God, and in doing so, diverting humanity from the original message. But mostly, those who meddle with them end up insane (hence the ‘Mad’ Arab).
Two angels (Harut and Marut) were sent to Babylon with knowledge of the ‘arts’ – and they taught people the arts, but they warned them that this is a trial: the arts if misused can lead to disbelief in God and lead to perdition. But people didn’t listen to the warning and used the arts taught by the angels to do all sorts of things through which they would divide a man from his wife, and harming others. The Jinn (satans who followed Lucifer and work against God’s message) then learnt this ‘art’ from Harut and Marut, and they communicated it to human beings and subsequent jinn by way of using it to harm others. But they can neither benefit not harm anyone except by leave from God (Quran 2:102). All the Jinns that masquerade as so-called deities are His creatures, and are all in the end subject to judgement after death, as are human beings. Those who misuse knowledge, among other things, go to hell; those who do good, go to heaven – Jinns are not an exception in this regard.
Babylon and Sumerian too were sent messengers from God (angels and human beings); should there be any grain of truth in what they’ve left us with, then their source is God; on the other hand, should there be falsehoods in them, then this is the invention of man and jinn. Islam says worship God, for there is only one God, all the rest are fiction or jinn (creatures); creatures (humans and jinn) are slaves to God, so how can a slave worship another? – that would be absurd. There is only one master, God, who is worthy of worship. Anyone else pretending to have power equal to, or above God, is a charlatan. Islam has nothing to do with pagan belief in this regard.
Warlock Asylum
April 17, 2012
Have you ever thought perhaps that the god you worship is pretenteding to be the creator though powerful. Are we so arrogant to imagine that the god who created the millions of galaxies, many of these containing billions of stars, would test Abraham by telling him to put his son to death and then sending an angel to stop the murder moments before he puts a stake through his heart? Are we that crazy in this day and age?
These “gods” are all Djinns. The intelligence that created the universe is not going to send someone to a country to perform Hajj? So let me get this straight, the creator of all worlds wants you to walk around the black stone seven times like the pagans do? These are Djinn and spirits of the dead mimicking higher powers.
Ulitimately, we know that the god of the Abrahamic religions is not the creator for in the Abrahamic scriptures “god” is limited to time and space. Think about it.
Star
April 18, 2012
Thanks for the reply. And to answer you: yes, it has crossed my mind but I found it unsatisfactory since God, in the Quran, is the creator of space/time – many abrahamic religions agree. Read, e.g. Baruch de Spinoza’s Ethics; and Immanuel Kant’s Critique of Pure reason: it makes no sense to say ‘Does God exist outside or inside space/time?’ since these (soace and time) are not so much the properties of existence, but rather categories of the union between mind and world.
My aim was to convince you that you should adopt my view, but simply to highlight a radically different interpretation from the one you offered, since much of the causal connection you offered are based on ‘coincidental’ causes as opposed to ‘efficient’ or ‘proper’ causes – e.g. many cultures associate the colour white with purity and cleanliness; it does not make them pagan. What makes some pagan is their disbelief in the existence of one God who created all that is in existence. The same goes for the Friday prayer, etc. As for Surah 78 or 87, there are many surahs that are recited at Friday prayer. Other than that the numbers add up to 15, I’m not sure why you focused on this Surah and ignored all the other ones that are recited far more often at Friday prayers. Also, it doesn’t matter that Friday coincides with a religious day in cultures other than Islam. What matters is that Muslims, on Fridays, have a holiday: one in which they celebrate the worship of the Abrahamic God.
Warlock Asylum
April 18, 2012
Greetings. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post and comments, many blessings to you. First, I must address a question that you proposed in your first comment; “So how can one slave worship another?” My answer to that question is in full agreement of why Iblyss refused to bow down to Adam. Think about it.
To say that Allah is the creatore of space time because the Holy Qu’ran say so, is not sufficient since it is this very same book of the islamic faith. my main point is that in order for us to understand Abraham’s god, we should first look at his backgroung, look at the city he came from, Ur. Maybe he too had his own agenda, but whether or not he was truly guided by divine sources can be seen in researching the religions of Ur and understanding this as part of investigating Abraham’s background. However, this still doesn’t mean that this god that Abraham worhipped was not a Djinn, based on some of the demands this god placed on the early prophets.
There is something else that you have to consider, which is something that you touched on in an earlier comment:
“Over the years as humans began to multiply, they began to divert from the original form of worship – evolving many of its concepts and practices such that they were transformed into polytheism (the idea – contra Abrahamic religions – that there are many deities/gods, not just one). By we are told by the scriptures that as people deformed the original message (from a religion that adheres to the unity and oneness of God to religions that believed in the existence of many gods), God continued to send messengers and prophets to various peoples and civilizations so that they were informed about the original (true) message”
The reason why I bring up this statement is that all pagan, or shamanistic paradigms, have the same correspondenes, some slight variations of course, due to a different nature in the environment. For example, DinGir Ishtar is said to find her planetary attribute in Venus, the same also in Africa, which is Oshun, also in Norse myth as Freya, and the Roman Venus. In all these cultures Venus has the same atrributes and relates to love, family, friends, and what have you. Showing that the all came from a whole system that was at one time one, but this is in the field of shamanism. Abraham’s god did not teach his people about these things overtly, plus according to Abraham’s god they were said to be pagan, yet there is world evidence to support that these systems did stem from the same pagan origin, which was evidently shamanistic. i can go to South America and see these same correspondences. We find also the venreation and use of seven major planets in all ancient shamanistic cultures with their corresponding attributes being the same all around the world.
if people lost their way, we would find such emphasis and consistency in these workings that that were known before the time of Noah. basically, the Djinn copulate with different humans and demanded that their descendants worship them as they were their ancestors and needed the emotional veneration to survive in other worlds, which is why they were constantly punished if they worshipped other gods. We know this to be the case since everyone DOES NOT come from Adam and Eve for this very reason. “If everyone came from Adam and Eve why are there so many blood types?
I look forward to reading and sharing your insights. Have a wonderful day.
Stay blessed.